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Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Angels Of Death EVE
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.30 18:46:00 -
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 Originally by: Dwindlehop
Corp-insured ships provide a useful social contract (fly with corp, corp gets payout when you die) that would be tough to replicate with true no premium insurance. If you can come up with a way to make that work, then no premiums would be wonderful.
The idea to make supercapitals 'truly hurt' is as far as i am concerned pricing smaller alliances out of the market entirely. I was in position to propose and launch a supercarrier project within my own group in the next month. I'm no longer considering anything above battleship class if this happens unless we grow to truly large proportions. And i'm talking 1500+ members. Its very simple. A supercarrier takes about 20 bill to assemble. ASSEMBLE! Factor in the prices of Fighter-bombers, fighters, fits and your talking 50 billion with ease.
And before people start going crazy please be serious. Would you take out a ship this expensive without anything short of a pure officer fit? There are any number of ways these ships can be taken out and worst of all the pilot doesn't have to be the reason for several of them. Two big ones that instantly pop to mind. Bad Fleet Commanding (recently exploited in providence and other areas) CCP node death. Which has happened to -A-'s benefit and others. With CCP's current stance on non reimbursement due to such issues (supposedly) You'd have to be crazy to fly one of these things now. Why would you even consider building one? I mean 5 bill in the scheme of things concerning these level of ships isn't much but it at least lets you get back on your feet after you get knocked down.
In the case of Titans its even worse. They've lost their AOE death machine now they're going to have next to no payout for things that just might end up NOT being the pilot's fault. Speaking from the perspective of a smaller alliance i cant justify these ships if the super cap changes go through. Social contracts only work if the corp has the capability and the ISK to endure such a hit. How many smaller factions can afford 20 billion at the drop of a hat or 50 billion? Its a stretch for even a 500 man corp. I hope they rethink this change concerning super cap payout it may seem like a smart idea but it effectively prices smaller alliances out of the market and really is not fair to a lot of people. As it is if it stands they've effectively smashed the dream i had for this character since the day i made it in 07.
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Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Angels Of Death EVE
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.30 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: LtCol Laurentius
Originally by: Nick Curso
Edited by: Nick Curso on 30/03/2010 15:09:29
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
The flip side of that would be the risk adversity argument, that some would risk them less because of this.
People wouldn't use them at all because of this. I think like viper said where is the logic in nerfing the one ship class where a respectable amount of ISK is lost in its loss. Not to mention the massivly expensive fittings they need. Unless ofc u want to see t2 fitted super carriers and titans.
Has it also been considered how much of a time sink it is to build super caps from a non ISK perspective such as compression time/hauling/build time etc. In some cases ppl have worked for years to get these ships and contrary to the myth don't have 100's of bils in the bank after the ship purchase. To be punished with next to no insurance payout meaning you have to start from scratch again.
Seems like a bit of a crazy plan to me maybe its time to look away from the numbers and actually consider the other requirements of getting a ship like that and think to yourself "Is this really fair?"
Its about high time CCP does something about the riddiccolous number of supercaps in the game. Currently EVE is heading towards "Titans Online". I believe this change will reduce the attractiveness of them, hopefully (in time) making them the truly unique flagships they were allways meant to be.
Try never seeing them in space. I wanted to make a Nyx the flagship of our group and i had the plans on paper almost complete i was nearly ready to propose the project. I cant justify it now. Not now not if we grow to 1000 players. Your talking a 50 billion hit in Supercarriers. Flat out. 50 billion. Your talking about a hit that an alliance will have a VERY hard time recovering from if they get a bad FC or CCP nodes go out. Like i said in my last post. These changes effectively price smaller outfits out of the supercap market. Titans online isn't good, i agree there. Pricing smaller outfits out of the super cap game entirely however just aint right. I cant think of many outfits able to justify an expenditure of this nature without some kind of reimbursement. With the 5 bill at least you had something to get off the mat with if something went wrong. Now? I wouldnt touch them with a 10 foot pole. Enjoy.
Taking names and kicking ass. All in the search for Bubblegum. |
Kuseka Adama
Gallente
Angels Of Death EVE
Free Worlds Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.30 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
So what you are saying is that because the hit went from 45B to 50B for you, you cant afford it anymore? Really?
No. They were hard to justify before to be honest. But i could make the argument before hand. Its even worse in titan numbers. Where your talking as much as 100 billion. I mean losing fittings is a part of losing a ship. But I just lost a key leg to stand on in making my argument on why we SHOULD have said pilots. And that 5 bill might not seem much to a plex buyer/seller but for some outfits that is a huge sticking point. That 5 bill usually would get put right back into getting another. Despite what you might think an alliance isn't always overflowing with money it can spend left and right. 5 bill is 5 bill and depending on where you sit its a mountain or a molehill. For my group its a couple of dreadnoughts fully fitted. For the price of a supercarrier we could get a bunch of normal ones with triage mode (something my faction likes) Or a strikeforce of dreadnoughts. Which would YOU buy? The changes to supercarriers made them far more attractive to fly but now your facing getting nothing back no matter what happens. My key problem with this is the fact its damned easy to lose ships when it isnt your fault.
When you lose a ship like that and its your fault you got no one to blame but yourself and i fully agree there. But Lets face it. How many capitals per year get killed because a node goes offline or a Fleet Commander makes a big error: Its a pretty large number. Far larger than the cap v cap kill rate i'd be willing to imagine. Losing 50 billion of investment to an FC error or a node screwup is a hell of a lot harder to swallow when you get nothing back at all than when you get 5 billion back.
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